Season Three
In Season 3, I’m Feeling Queer Today! is going on a road trip around the U.S. to answer a big question:
What is it like to be an LGBTQ+ person where you live?
So buckle your seatbelts—we’re speaking directly to the queer young people in five different U.S. cities: An LGBTQ+ youth center in the basement of a Baptist church in Spartanburg, South Carolina; a home for religious and secular queers alike in Provo, Utah; a high school for the performing arts in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; the Northern tip of Cape Cod where it’s pride month year round in Provincetown, Massachusetts; and a center opening its doors to the queer youth of Columbus, Ohio since 1994.
Forget everything you think you know about these cities and towns, and get ready to hear from the LGBTQ+ youth who call these places home.
Let us know what you think of our latest episode, share any topics you'd like us to cover on the podcast, and don't forget to tell us:
how are YOU feeling queer today?
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Spartanburg, South Carolina
SPARTANBURG SHOW NOTES
➡️💖 South Carolina LGBTQ+ Support Resources!
➡️💻 Gender Wiki Resource link
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Use this wiki to help identify your gender.
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Valentine starts walking us through this resource at [2:35] of episode 2
➡️🌈 Queer Spartanburg Fun Facts
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As of 2023, more than five percent of LGBTQ+ Americans come from South Carolina. (source)
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In Spartanburg, Black Pride Week is the only LGBTQ+ event celebrated in June. Most other Pride events are celebrated in November instead! (source)
➡️🇺🇸🌈 Notable LGBTQ+ Legislation, as of summer 2025:
- South Carolina United is an informative resource tracking current 2025 LGBTQ+ bills and legislation in SC.
- This page via ACLU also tracks the status/progression of bills related to Anti-LGBTQ+ rights in SC as a state.
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Bill H.4624 is discussed in this episode. This bill bans healthcare for transgender youth (under 18) in SC. This includes both physical healthcare and mental healthcare. It also prevents any outside funding to pay for transition healthcare (as a gofundme would, for example) and it requires school administrators to “out” transgender students to their parents, even if it is not safe to. (source: SCUnited) It allows for anyone (besides the transgender person) to define what “sex”, “gender”, and “gender transition procedures” mean. There is a penalty for not following this law. (source: billTrack)
S3E1: The Queers Behind the Baptist Church, Part 1
(Spartanburg, SC)
Welcome to Season 3 and the first stop on our queer road trip: Spartanburg, South Carolina. In this episode, you’ll meet the youth at Uplift Outreach Center, an LGBTQ+ safe space behind a baptist church and the only center in the area dedicated to serving queer youth. Find out why folks come from all across the region (“The Upstate”) to spend time at Uplift, take a tour of the center’s gender-affirming free clothing closet, bake dinosaur brownies with the Uplift Program Director, and hear directly from the hearts + minds of young people in the region. This is Part 1 of 2 of our visit to Spartanburg, South Carolina.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Eric Eubank (they/them) is a non-binary writer, student, and storyteller; as both a chronic overthinker and curious soul, they are currently on a journey to find beauty and joy in the everyday.
🎙️ Lily Mueller (they/she/he) is Lily is a New England based curious creative working at the intersections of queerness, disability, memory, imagination, and healing. Connect with Lily on IG / TikTok
This episode was produced by Hannie Saba, Emma Jayne Seswlosky, and our dear executive producer and mentor, Julie Novak. Julie, your legacy will live on in all of us, and in every episode of this podcast <3
S3E2: The Queers Behind the Baptist Church, Part 2
(Spartanburg, SC)
It’s Part Two of our visit to Spartanburg, South Carolina and we’re back with the youth of Uplift Outreach Center to hear their coming out stories, secret crushes, and messages of hope for the future. Plus, they share their thoughts on the passing of House Bill 4624, which bans gender affirming care for minors across the state. If you’re just joining us, welcome to our queer road trip across the country! We suggest listening to Part 1 of this episode first.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Eric Eubank (they/them) is a non-binary writer, student, and storyteller; as both a chronic overthinker and curious soul, they are currently on a journey to find beauty and joy in the everyday.
🎙️ Lily Mueller (they/she/he) is Lily is a New England based curious creative working at the intersections of queerness, disability, memory, imagination, and healing. Connect with Lily on IG / TikTok
This episode was recorded in Spartanburg, South Carolina, and produced by Hannie Saba, Emma Jayne Seswlosky, and our dear executive producer and mentor, Julie Novak. Julie, your legacy will live on in all of us, and in every episode of this podcast <3
Provo, Utah
FEATURING ENCIRCLE
Encircle is a nonprofit that provides support, counseling, and safe spaces for LGBTQ+ youth and their families at multiple locations in Utah, including Provo, Salt Lake City, St. George, and Heber.
“We are committed to providing resources & support to help LGBTQ+ youth thrive as their best selves.”
PROVO SHOW NOTES
➡️💖LGBTQ+ Utah Resources (helpful places to start, not a full list)
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Encircle! is a nonprofit providing affirming therapy, safe drop-in spaces, and creative programs for LGBTQ+ youth and families in Utah (with locations in Provo, SLC, St. George, and Heber)
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Queer Family Therapy provides affirming therapy and letters of support for gender-affirming medical care. They also collaborate with Encircle and specialize in serving LGBTQ+ individuals and families in Utah.
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Queer Meals offers free meals, safe spaces, and suicide prevention-trained support for queer people in Provo. They also make home visits for individuals in need of direct care and connection.
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🏳️⚧️TEA of Utah (Transgender Education Advocates) promotes awareness, education, and legal advocacy for trans rights in Utah through public engagement and community events.
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Utah Pride Center hosts the annual Utah Pride Festival in Salt Lake City. Also offers mental health services, youth and adult support groups, gender-affirming care navigation.
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OUTreach Utah provides weekly support groups, youth events, and resources for LGBTQ+ teens, families, and educators across northern Utah.
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Genderbands is an Orem-based nonprofit offering gender-affirming care grants, surgery fundraisers, and gear for trans and nonbinary individuals, plus an annual Genderfest celebration.
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Equality Utah is Utah’s largest LGBTQ+ political advocacy group, fighting for queer and trans rights at the local and state level, and offering educational tools for schools and communities.
➡️✨Encircle Fun Fact
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Dan Reynolds of Imagine Dragons (who grew up Mormon) helped fund Encircle homes across Utah, including in Provo, to support LGBTQ+ youth and families with affirming care.
➡️🌈LGBTQ+ LDS (couple starting places)
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Mama Dragons is a nonprofit support network for mothers and caregivers of LGBTQ+ youth, many of whom come from LDS backgrounds. They offer education, community care, and mental health resources to help families fully affirm their queer and trans children. Mentioned in episode 4.
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Affirmation: LGBTQ Mormons, Families & Friends is a global organization that supports LGBTQ+ people with Mormon backgrounds. They host conferences, virtual support groups, and publish personal stories that bridge faith, identity, and healing.
➡️🎵 "This River is Wild" by the Killers
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An acoustic version of this song is covered in episode 3.
S3E3: No Sides, Only Love - Part 1
(Provo, UT)
Welcome to the second stop on our queer road trip across the United States: Provo, Utah. In this episode, we’re visiting the home of Encircle Provo, a dedicated drop-in space for queer youth where the motto is “No Sides, Only Love.” With 42% of Utah’s population self-identifying as members of the Church of Latter-day Saints, the queer youth of Encircle have a wide range of experiences when it comes to “The Church.” Listen to original poetry from Encircle’s Writing Night, hear from someone balancing their transness with their faith, and find out how this queer community comes together, religious differences and all. This is Part 1 of 2 of our visit to Provo, Utah.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Peter (he/him) is potentially the most awesome and grammatically correct trans man you will ever meet. Prepare to be dazzled any time you are in the room with him because of his superior charm and 4.0 GPA.
🎙️ Siri/Maru (she/he/they) is is a queer, Nerodivergent teenager who expresses themselves through the many different forms of art.
S3E4: No Sides, Only Love - Part 2
(Provo, UT)
It’s Part Two of our visit to Provo, Utah and we’re back with the youth of the Encircle Provo house. This week, you’ll meet the superheros who keep the Encircle home up and running, including an assistant program director who’s queering ballroom dance. Plus, listen to a special interview with Encircle BFFs and episode hosts, Peter and Maru, and sit in on a Youth Friendship Circle, a signature Encircle offering that puts the home’s motto, “No Sides, Only Love,” into action. We suggest listening to Part 1 of this episode first.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Peter (he/him) is potentially the most awesome and grammatically correct trans man you will ever meet. Prepare to be dazzled any time you are in the room with him because of his superior charm and 4.0 GPA.
🎙️ Siri/Maru (she/he/they) is is a queer, Nerodivergent teenager who expresses themselves through the many different forms of art.
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
FEATURING CAPA:
The Philadelphia High School For Creative & Performing Arts
A magnet high school in South Philly. Students apply to attend and can major in one of seven areas: creative writing, instrumental music, visual arts, theater, dance, vocal music, and media, design, television & video (MDTV).
PHILADELPHIA SHOW NOTES
➡️💖LGBTQ+ Philly Resources (not a full list, helpful places to start)
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Official City List of LGBTQ+ Resources including housing resources, food banks, scholarships for school, childcare resources, and more.
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The Attic Youth Center creates a community for young queer people and serves as a support for them as they become adults. They regularly offer fun events (art, music, community, social justice, drag, etc.), counseling, and even a life skills center to help with finding jobs or preparing for higher education.
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🏳️⚧️Transwork: Helps transgender folks/nonbinary individuals find workplaces that are supportive, inclusive, and safe. It was founded by transgender IBA (Independent Business Alliance) members and the project partners with other local organizations to meet their goals.
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Waygay: A local community center, made to connect queer people and create a local community in Philly. There are art events, recovery meetings, transgender programs, and also a resource to their archives and their library.
➡️🌈Some Interesting Queer History in Philly
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Philadelphia is THE place for LGBTQ+ history! So many important events happened here, including the first gay rights protests, protesting against the portrayal of gay men and lesbians on television, HIV and AIDS movements, marriage equality, and more! This short video covers much of it.
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The heart of Philadelphia has a neighborhood called, Midtown Village, which is also referred to as, “The Gayborhood”. It was named this because it served as a safe haven for queer people in the 1930’s.
View the Midtown Village and The Gayborhood Neighborhood Guide
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As of 2022, Philly declared that every building in the Philadelphia School District must have a gender-neutral bathroom. They started introducing this legislation in 2016 by slowly incorporating gender neutral bathrooms, but officially implemented this law recently. [Read more in this ABC6 2021 news article]
➡️✨CAPA Fun Facts
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A few notable alumni of CAPA include Boyz II Men, Questlove, Leslie Odom Jr., and “Black Thought” of The Roots.
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The stretch of Broad St. in front of the school was renamed Boyz II Men Boulevard. One of the old CAPA buildings appears in the group's “Motownphilly” music video.
➡️🦅About the Philadelphia Eagles
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Mentioned a number of times in our Philly episodes! The Eagles are a Philadelphia-based professional American football team They are part of the National Football Conference (NFC) East division and in the National Football League (NFL).
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Since their formation, the Eagles have appeared in the playoffs 31 times, won 16 division titles (including 13 in the NFC East), appeared in four pre-merger NFL Championship Games, winning three of them (1948, 1949, and 1960), and appeared in five Super Bowls, winning Super Bowls LII and LIX.
S3E5: A Beautiful Day in the Gayborhood - Part 1
(Philadelphia, PA)
Welcome to the third stop on our queer roadtrip, Philadelphia, PA! Go Birds! 🦅 In this episode, we meet the queer youth actors, theater makers, visual artists, and filmmakers at The Philadelphia High School for Creative and Performing Arts (CAPA.) You’ll hear from queer CAPA students in a roundtable discussion about life in Philadelphia at an arts high school. Then, you will hear some original writing from members of CAPA’s theater program and GSA. Finally, we go back into the (costume) closet with a CAPA theater major who has been out as queer since he was nine years old. This is Part 1 of 2 of our visit to Philadelphia, PA.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Josephine Levesque (she/her) is a comedianne and a really great funny lady who does great things!
🎙️ Eden Kim (they/he/she) is a Philly creator and a big fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. They used to be in the world of art, but are now exploring the medical field, and plan to implement creativity into anything.
This episode was produced by Trudy Poux, Myles Tripp, Emma Jayne Seslowsky, and Celeste Lecesne.
S3E6: A Beautiful Day in the Gayborhood - Part 2
(Philadelphia, PA)
It’s part two of our visit to Philadelphia, PA and we’re back with the queer youth actors, theater makers, visual artists, and filmmakers at The Philadelphia High School for Creative and Performing Arts (CAPA). You’ll hear original writing about what it’s like being a trans woman in Philly from two of CAPA’s artists. Then, an original poem written by a young trans actor about his experience as a first generation American born to parents who grew up in the Soviet Union. Finally, the CAPA GSA imagines themselves as queer ancestors, and offer messages of hope to the next generation. We suggest listening to Part 1 of this episode first.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Josephine Levesque (she/her) is a comedianne and a really great funny lady who does great things!
🎙️ Eden Kim (they/he/she) is a Philly creator and a big fan of the Philadelphia Eagles. They used to be in the world of art, but are now exploring the medical field, and plan to implement creativity into anything.
This episode was produced by Trudy Poux, Myles Tripp, Emma Jayne Seslowsky, and Celeste Lecesne.
Columbus, Ohio
FEATURING KALEIDOSCOPE
YOUTH CENTER
Established in 1994, KYC is the largest and longest-standing organization in Ohio solely dedicated to serving and supporting LGBTQIA+ youth. As a nonprofit, they work to provide a safer place, programming, and leadership opportunities so that youth can be free to explore who they are and empowered to become their confident, truest self.
COLUMBUS SHOW NOTES
➡️🇺🇲Legislation Updates from Episode 7
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What is House Bill 68? HB 68 bans doctors in Ohio from giving gender-affirming medical care (like puberty blockers and hormone therapy) to transgender people under 18. The bill stops trans minors from getting gender-affirming medical care in Ohio and bans trans girls from playing on girls’ school sports teams.
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HB68 Updates (as of 8/2025): Since the recording of this episode in 2024, there have been updates to this bill. Even though a lower court ruled against it, HB 68 remains in effect. As of today, minors in Ohio cannot get any gender-affirming care through their doctors until the state Supreme Court makes a final decision. This applies whether they were already receiving care or starting care for the first time. More information can be found here on the ACLU site.
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Gerrymandering definition: when politicians draw voting district maps in a weird or unfair way so their own party has a better chance of winning elections. In short 👉messing with district boundaries to cheat the system.
➡️🎙️Mentioned in these Episodes
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Kaleidoscope Youth Center is where we visit! and they are amazing! Make sure to check their instagram and website to stay in the loop on current and future events. Note that KYC is closed to anyone who is over 20 or under 12 years old, including parents, guardians, family, counselors, etc.
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KYC Summer Institute: We visited during this summer program at KYC and it’s mentioned a bunch in these episodes. ✨👉This is a link for last year’s info and application. Make sure to follow KYC on socials and newsletter to be in the loop for future years.
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Camp Lilac: The amazing overnight summer camp in Ohio for transgender and gender diverse youth. Mentioned in episode 1.
➡️🧚LARP-ing (Live Action Role Playing) ⚔️🧙🧝♀️✨(Kyros' segment in Ep.8)
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✨Dungeons & Dragons: is a table-top role playing game that lets players create characters and tell stories together in imagined worlds—fighting monsters, solving mysteries, or just exploring who they are. Instead of competing, the goal is collective storytelling, creativity, and connection.
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Some interesting articles as it relates to queerness:
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The Wayfinder Experience: Friends of FPP, they are an amazing LARP summer camp and organization. We cannot recommend enough! 🌟 Check them out on IG / TikTok / website.
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We Can Be Heroes (2024) is an award-winning documentary about young people + LARPing. The film is by Wayfinders and Tribeca Films. Now streaming here! 🍿Trailer below:
➡️🌈🌽Queer Columbus Fun Facts
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Columbus is actually recognized as one of the most LGBTQ+ friendly states in America! According to a 2015 Gallup poll, 4.3% of Columbus’ population identify as LGBTQ+ — a higher percentage than New York City or Washington, D.C.
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Columbus’ progressive LGBTQ+ history stretches back to the 1970s. The city’s first Pride Parade, hosted by the Stonewall Union, took place in 1982. Today, Columbus Pride is the largest in the Midwest, drawing nearly half a million people each year.
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Many of the main LGBTQ+ historical archives for Ohio state are located in Columbus. Check this list for more info and where to look.
➡️💖Some Local LGBTQ+ Columbus Resources
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Stonewall Columbus is a community organization that seeks to further inclusivity in Ohio and support the Queer community through advocacy, fun events, and mental health/physical health resources. Founded in 1981!
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International Committee on LGBTQ+ History Months: A global organization dedicated to preserving existing LGBTQ+ History Months and helping establish new ones worldwide. They offer archives, study guides, and welcome submissions of essays, poetry, and other writings for publication.
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Blog: The Ultimate LGBTQ+ Itinerary for a Weekend in Columbus - A fantastic list of local Queer businesses, coffee shops, bars, museums, and other fun activities. This blog covers activities and places to go of any age, and for locals and visitors alike.
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LGBTQ+ Owned Businesses - Another list of Queer businesses, includes everything from healthcare for you and your pets to restaurants and retail organizations. There are also activist, legal, financial, and business organizations listed.
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One of Ohio’s longest-running lesbian bars could once be found on Summit Street, known by several names — “Jack’s,” “Summit Station,” and “Logan’s Off Broadway." Free Beer Tomorrow is a documentary film project that tells the story of this Queer historic spot. Watch the video for the story below:
S3E7: Queers of the Cornfield - Part 1
(Columbus, OH)
We’ve made it to the fourth stop on our queer roadtrip: Columbus, OH! In this episode, you’ll meet the queer youth at the Kaleidoscope Youth Center (KYC), the largest and longest-standing organization in Ohio solely dedicated to serving and supporting LGBTQIA+ youth since 1994. You’ll hear directly from the members of KYC’s Summer Institute, a paid program for queer youth to develop as leaders and build community. Learn what it’s really like to be a queer young person living in a “cornfield state.” Plus, an interview between a KYC regular and the center’s Civic Engagement and Advocacy Manager. This is Part 1 of 2 of our visit to Columbus, Ohio.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Trudy Poux (they/them) is a comedian, actor, musician, composer, and producer. In addition to podcasting, they are the lead and co-composer for off-Broadway's Nona's Supper Club.
🎙️ Kylie (Ky) Van De Weghe (any pronouns) is a sixteen-year-old aspiring comedian from Columbus, Ohio. They work in cat welfare as a volunteer vet/kennel assistant. She’s thrilled to be a part of I’m Feeling Queer Today! They hope to do more podcasting in the future.
This episode was produced by Myles Tripp, Becca De Gregorio and Trudy Poux. This episode was edited by Becca DeGregorio with additional production and editing support by Emma Jayne Seslowsky.
S3E8: Queers of the Cornfield - Part 2
(Columbus, OH)
It’s part two of our visit to Columbus, Ohio and we’re back with the queers at the Kaleidoscope Youth Center (KYC), the largest and longest-standing organization in Ohio solely dedicated to serving and supporting LGBTQIA+ youth since 1994. Today’s episode is an ode to special interests: from Dungeons and Dragons to Monster High dolls; from a queer tarot deck to a guitar named Sasha. The youth at KYC show us that our favorite things and hobbies can be portals to exploring and accepting who we are. We suggest listening to Part 1 of this episode first.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Trudy Poux (they/them) is a comedian, actor, musician, composer, and producer. In addition to podcasting, they are the lead and co-composer for off-Broadway's Nona's Supper Club.
🎙️ Kylie (Ky) Van De Weghe (any pronouns) is a sixteen-year-old aspiring comedian from Columbus, Ohio. They work in cat welfare as a volunteer vet/kennel assistant. She’s thrilled to be a part of I’m Feeling Queer Today! They hope to do more podcasting in the future.
This episode was produced by Myles Tripp, Becca De Gregorio and Trudy Poux. This episode was edited by Becca DeGregorio with additional production and editing support by Emma Jayne Seslowsky.
Provincetown, MA
Episode 9
FEATURING SUMMER OF SASS
Summer of Sass is a summer work program that transforms lives by relocating LGBTQI 18-20 yr olds from oppressive areas in the US to the welcoming community of Provincetown, Massachusetts.
& FINE ARTS WORK CENTER
This episode was developed last summer 2024 through a workshop at the Fine Arts Work Center, a residency program in Provincetown for artists, writers, and creatives of all kinds.
PROVINCETOWN SHOW NOTES
➡️ 🌈📜Some Ptown Gay History!
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The reason Provincetown is often referred to as “the gayest town in America” is because it has the highest number of same-sex couples in the country! [article]
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Written Queer history of Ptown actually dates WAY back to around 1890! Because of Ptown’s location as a remote island getaway and also because of the welcoming environment that Ptown prided itself on, Ptown was considered the best place for queer people and/or artists to live by the 1940s! [article]
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The start of the flocking of Queer individuals actually starts with the Yankees, who built a monument in 1910 to welcome the Pilgrims as they were travelling overseas. The monument was made to honor freedom and, within a few decades, became the town for LGBTQ+ individuals to be free to be themselves (and still seems that way today!) [article]
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A man by the name, Charles Hawthorn, also contributed to the growing population of LGBTQ+ individuals by opening up an art school in Provincetown. He was from New York City and created a bridge for artists and writers between New York and Ptown. By the 1920s, word had spread that Ptown was a place of love, acceptance, exploration, and freedom of gender and sexuality expression/presentation! [article]
➡️🗺️Visiting Ptown
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How to Get to Ptown: Usually by ferry from Boston!
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Ptown Biz Guild: This site has extensive list of resources and directories of small business, events, galleries, health resources, there's something for anything you could think of!
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Last Minute Lodging Availability site!
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The Official Ptown Calendar! Includes themed weeks and specific holidays.
➡️💖Local Youth Resources to Know About
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Summer of Sass! You already know! They provide subsidized housing, travel costs, and work placement for LGBTQ+ young adults (18-20) from across the country, particularly those from anti-LGBTQ+ oppressive areas, to live and work in Provincetown for the summer season. The program offers a supportive, accepting community, mental and physical well-being resources, and a safe environment for self-discovery and confidence-building, helping these youth thrive in a welcoming environment away from unaccepting home communities. [All the info and applications here]
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SummerONE & AutumnONE 2025: SummerONE and AutumnONE are programs created by the Ptown Business Guild and the Ptown Pride Center to attract and welcome younger and first-time LGBTQ+ visitors to Provincetown. SummerONE, held during Pride Weekend, provides young visitors (21-29) with free accommodations, ferry passes, and event tickets through a lottery application process. AutumnONE is a similar program offered during TransWeek in late October. [info & apply here]
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Fine Arts Work Center: a non-profit that supports emerging visual artists and writers in Provincetown, Massachusetts. The Work Center was founded in 1968 by a group of American artists and writers to support promising individuals in the early stages of their creative careers.
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FPP & FAWC offers the "Julie Novak Original Voice" writing residency where recipients spend a week in Provincetown at FAWC. Make sure to subscribe to our newsletter and socials to be notified when applications open for 2026.
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Cape Cod Resources for LGBTQ+ Folks and their families
S3E9: Good Judys & Summer Sassers
(Provincetown, MA)
We’re closing out our big queer roadtrip by taking you to the gayest town in America: 🌈Provincetown! In our season finale, we travel to Cape Cod, a peninsula off the southeast part of Massachusetts. You’ll meet some friendly folks who call Cape Cod their home year round. Plus, we’ll introduce you to The Summer of Sass, a local non-profit providing queer youth ages 18-20 the opportunity to spend the summer living and working in Provincetown. Find out why this place is a dream destination for the LGBTQ+ community and the ways that Ptown still needs to grow in order to become a truly intersectional queer utopia. This podcast episode was developed last summer through a workshop at the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown, MA.
ABOUT THE HOSTS
🎙️ Lily Mueller (they/he/she) has been telling stories and hugging trees for as long as they can remember. They’re a New England-based writer, artist, and theatre & film maker working at the intersections of queerness, disability, memory, healing, and above all, love.
🎙️ Trinity Thibeau (she/her) is born and raised on Cape Cod and currently a full-time student there. Beyond studies, she is a poet, a writer, and a lover of all things musical and vintage.
This episode was produced by Lily Mueller, Trinity Thibeau, Hazel Hunter, Emma Jayne Seslowsky. This episode was edited by Becca DeGregorio with additional production and editing support by Emma Jayne Seslowsky.